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WE don't need to do anything about climate. 30 years ago we were freezing, now we're burning. Its be back to freezing soon enough.

I agree with Alicia

Alicia,

You are absolutely correct. I think that everyone is going to kick themselves in the rear for believing in this global warming farse 10 years from now. This was the coldest summer on record. I've used my A/C significantly less this year than the past 3 years. There is no global warming.

Too bad global warming isn't true. This past summer was pretty dang cold, and it's been snowing on and off now. It is only early October! Ridiculous thing to believe that the planet is overheating, in my opinion.

I think it depends on where you are living. If you take on the southern hemisphere, the reaction would probably be different. In Malaysia for example, the temperature is rising and some of the beaches are labelled as 'dangerous' to public due to the rising sea level. Small islands like Singapore, Indonesia and the Philipines are threatened by this phenomena as well. If this issue is not being addressed, people who do not experience it may not understand the situation of the world we are living in. Maybe it is not global warming, but the climate really is changing.

The fact that in a particular town this particular summer was less hot then usual does not mean much---we have to look at world wide statistics to see if the phenomena is real.

well it probably is, but at least a real genius, former Nasa admin Michael Griffin stated something interesting about it..

here

Sorry this is not a comment on the post but just a question. I hope it will be read.

I have been a member of Vox for 5 months and I have only seen ONE daily question and only ONE welcome page with, I think, the same imge all the time, in all those 5 months. Now, this is on the French side of Vox and I don't know if the same goes on in other languages.

What I would like to know is this; Are there any plans to keep the site alive on the part of the administrators? it would be nice to talk about Vox and to get people to come on over without them saying that "It is allways the same!"

I would appreciate an awnser just so I can know what to expect. I like Vox a lot and do not plan on leaving but would like to have more friends join.

Thank you,

Athazagora

My Short Climate Change Post

there is a climate change problem,maybe not for the same reason as that other peace prize winner but it does exist,and sense people are not going to give up their climate controled lives we need to find some new sources of energy,how about wave power,you know waves they keep crashing in and going back out, there has to be a way of making use of that without doing any harm.

Ten years from now? Ha, I was laughing at it 10 years ago.

All you have to do is read "Heaven and Earth:Global Warming-The Missing Science" by Ian Palmer. If you believed in Al Gore and others about global warming (or "Climate Change" as they now interestingly say) you'll be hitting yourself in the head to realize how duped you were.

Ian Pilmer has never published a scientific journal article disproving global warming. Not one. The scientific community agrees on global warming. Sorry, charlie.

I see y'all discussing global warming without a lick of proof of what you're saying.

Here are published articles which prove global warming.

Interpretations of High Projections for Global Mean Warming

"Little Ice Age" Summer Temperature Variations: their nature and relevance to recent global warming trends

Global-scale temperature patterns and climate forcing over the past six centuries

If any of you want to disprove the methods in these aricles, then maybe you can begin to back up your words.

(we both misspelled his name, btw, it's Ian Plimer)

So, by you, in order for anything to be accepted it has to be published in a scientific journal? What a joke. The scientific "community" agrees? Nice try. There are thousands of scientists who disagree. Here's another one. Prof. Bob Carter. Or if that isn't enough, go to GlobalWarmingHoax.com and read some of the Peer Reviewed Studies or Major Scientific Journal articles against the idea of man-made global warming. As I put my coat on to go out in these 40F temperatures in October, just one more thing. My name is not charlie.

Haa, Sorry Charlie was an ad about a tuna fish....popular culture reference. It was an expression for a while, not any more apparently.

And again, sorry, but people's opinions are not what science is based on. Would you want a surgeon that looked up on the internet how to operate on you? M.D.s, like other scientists, use peer-reviewed, published articles.

If you're confused, watch this video. It should clear this whole thing right up.

Thank you to Vox for beginning this debate. I love it. Here is my contribution.

On the Little Ice Age article. "Unusually warm conditions have prevailed since the 1920s, probably related to a relative absence of major explosive volcanic eruptions and higher levels of greenhouse gases". What makes it "unusually" warm? This guesswork is your facts?

Projection article. Interpretations, uncertainties, probabilities. "absence of policies to limit climate change" haha don't make me laugh so hard. Noticed that they left out the current cooling or the cooling in the 1970's. Oh gee, could it be that we were coming out of the little ice age? Oh no, why use any common sense. Let's interpret some more things to prove us right. lol

The 1970s were ten years out of 100 years of data. And the words unusually and probably show that scientists, unlike global warming deniers, don't believe in absolutes.

What makes it "unusually" warm? This guesswork is your facts?

What makes it unusually warm is the graphs, methods and results that you can't be bothered to read. I'm sorry if the science is too confusing for you to understand, but that does not make it wrong.

Really? Sorry Charlie was an ad? I hate tuna, not enough Dolphin in it anymore. I wouldn't want a doctor to say "this is probably the way to do it or I interpreted the book to mean this". You, dear are way too young and naive. The sky is not falling little chicken.

I've been using nothing but historical data. 100 years is a small time out of millions.But your stuff conveniently narrows in and doesn't look at the whole picture. Look at history. Remember that we were not here or there was no industrialization. We are living in just a blink of the Earth's eye.

It was funny, kind of. :)

If you don't think journal articles are valid, there's not much more I can say. I'm earning a master's degree in biology so I think I'm at least qualified to tell you how scientists (my professors, researchers, not necessarily myself) determine what real science is.

You might find this artcie interesting, it sort of proves both our points.

caprandom replied to Athazagora’s comment:
Oct 17, 2009
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Soooo, it's all about a mislabelling of the phenomenon. Had it been called "Global Weather Weird Going-ons", more people would agree to it?

'Cause seriously just because it doesn't actually feel warmer out, doesn't mean everything's okay...

Athazagora: Je pense que c'est seulement du côté français car si tu regardes le site "officiel" de l'équipe Vox en français, la dernière mise à jour date de Juillet 2008. Par contre, je me rappelle pas d'avoir vu de communication officielle sur ce qui se passe.

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Sorry, Who is Charlie?

Mmm.. Did you know that a few years ago that the sun was spitting out sun spots that broke the charts? Couldn't global warming, if there is any, be related to things that are out of our control? Such as the sun?
We can't control everything. That's what I don't like about a lot of scientists, that they think that we are the cause of everything.
I think global warming is more about political power than actual concern for the planet. The government sends out funding for scientists who believe in global warming, that's why you don't hear of the ones who disagree, because they're funding is often cut off.

Peculiarist replied to Alicia’s comment:
Oct 19, 2009
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Actually, scientists do account for things outside of our control, and don't say we are the cause of everything. And you think only the government provides funding? I suppose the oil companies and other energy companies are nearly broke and don't fund any scientists at all...

Basically, it's happening for the same reason the financial crisis did. People thought: "I borrowed/lent one dollar, and there was absolutely no effect at all! So I can borrow/lend one billion dollars and there will be absolutely no effect at all!"

People who argue humans don't contribute to the changing climate have the same thinking...

That's why you're hearing the word "Climate Change" bandied about. Global warming scientists have had their work scrutinized long before they finished studying it, so they backpeddaled and called it climate change so people wouldn't get so confused. But of course the label didn't catch on and now it's just more confusing.

Would be better if the general public read the primary literature instead of just watching tv for their scientific informaiton.

My post on global warming has a link which proves that the solar hypothesis is wrong.

I'm not sure what you mean by "they think we are the cause of everything". If you're reading about studies (or god forbid, listening to the media for scientific information) that address pollution, of course you're going to hear that humans caused it.

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We were told in the 70's and early 80's that the "Ice Age" was coming, then it was "Global Warming". Now, it's "Climate Change"?

Through-out history we have had men of power (jerks) telling us that we need to do as they say or bad things will happen.

"We have angered the Gods!", "We must make human sacrifices to appease the Gods", "The Earth is flat!", "The Earth is the center of the Universe and all the planets and the sun revolve around the Earth.", "Salem Witch Trials", "New Ice Age", "Global Warming", "Climate Change"

It's all about POWER, MONEY, and CONTROL.

Look on Youtube.com and you will find many videos that explain how these fake scientist have to form a consensus and use ONLY CERTAIN data to substantiate their claims.

Carbon footprint? Dude, how does this not look like a scam to anyone with a free thinking mind?

They can't explain why all the other planets in our Universe has had increased temperature readings. They simply just ignore that.

I'm surprised that you have fallen for this nonsense, as well. I would have researched this issue fully before wasting time on an issue made up by Al Gore and certain powerful elites to control and manipulate people.

Let's discuss something that is actually real and not made-up, ey?

Ellie, No they don't. Sorry.

Ellie,

30,000 and more scientists are suing Al Gore for making up Global Warming!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfHW7KR33IQ&feature=related

Al Gore and their paid-off scientists will not allow an actual debate with real facts on this.

Finally people have to sue them to stop the lie and be heard!

Firejack007, thanks for the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLkze-9GcI

They have to use only CERTAIN stats to prove their fake cause. They ignore the rest of the stats.

Funny to see how some people can fall for such a scam as global warming, climate change, ice age . . . . what is next?

People who believe in this fake global warming watch way too much TV!

Here is even a better explanation of the hoax from Lord Christopher Monckton. There is a pdf slideshow that goes along with his speech at this link. He is a climate expert. He's the guy that the Democrats in Congress would not allow to speak. They only would allow Al Gore. That shows you what confidence they have in the whole thing.I implore you Ellie to watch both of these together. Or like they said in 'X-files', maybe it's easier for you to believe the lie.

WannabeTesla replied to ijeannie’s comment:
Oct 22, 2009
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The global cooling scare was largely the result of the media. Far more scientific papers were published in the 70s predicting warming.

You're confused. Al Gore isn't a scientist. He's a politician (a Democrat) who ran for President of the United States. He didn't "make up" global warming.

There are several fields of science that study Earth processes - scientists from these fields discovered global warming and published the data in scientific journal articles.

Try spending less time watching television and more time reading the literature.

The graphs in the slideshow only begin in 1991. The data actually goes back to the late 1800s. I wouldn't trust slideshows which edit out almost 100 years of data.

I'd like to watch the video but it requires a signup. Do you have it somehwere else? I'll try googling it. I did get to see the slideshow. Did you see this video? As this scientist points out, science is not embodied in the people. It's embodied in the methods.

If one guy stands up and says something about global warming, no matter how popular or charming he is, that doesn't really tell us anything about a complicated scientific theory. We need to read the data as a whole and understand all the research that has been done, not just bits and pieces of it.

Do you have an opinion on current cancer treatments? Would you know 100 percent if one was better than another? Of course not, because you're not an oncologist. The general public needs to read the literature before they say they're 100 percent positive about this.

This video explains about peer-reviewed papers and why they matter.

ok guys, know you're american so i'll make allowances, but, it ain't really about the weather is it ? Er pollution, deforestation, mass consumption of natural resources. Try and engage the subject, if it was about the weather a simple brolly would do. http://www.youtube.com/user/kdwyermedia

I don't watch TV!
Get a clue, Emmi. It's the same scam, different name!

Being a free thinking person, and not a programmed via indoctrination (like Emmi), I am able to research and not ignore the facts and real scientists who have also proven that Global Warming, Climate Change, Ice Age, and Angering The Gods, claims are nothing but rubbish.

Lord Christopher Monckton's video explains the lies!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stij8sUybx0

They are being duped by certain Elitists who wish to CONTROL and obtain POWER and MONEY by these scams.

People like Emmi, who wish to believe these Elites has a right to do so, but DO NOT FORCE your lies to the rest of us and say they are the truth.

DO NOT FORCE the rest of us free thinkers into having to PAY MORE TAXES based on these.

DO NOT FORCE the rest of us free thinkers into having to GIVE UP RIGHTS based on these lies.

DO NOT FORCE the rest of us free thinkers into having to ACCEPT your CARBON FOOTPRINT scam based on these lies.

Lord Christopher Monckton Speaking in St. Paul is amazing!!!!
He explains the facts showing that Global Warming is a LIE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stij8sUybx0

Oh, my apologies - you don't get your information from tv, you get it from YouTube. Even better. Lord Monckton has a degree in journalism. For those of us keeping track, journalism isn't even a field of science.

Emmi obviously was too frightened to even look at the video. lol

Anyway thanks to people like Emmi, who is allowing the New World Entity to try to take over America and hand over all of our rights with the use of their Global Warming Lie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NIN-PqcsN0

Hand over our money to them!
The Copenhagen Treaty (Global Warming Treaty) will void or Constitution.

Thanks for dooming us all!

This is bigger than you could even imagine! This is a plan that has been put in place many years ago, before you were even in diapers .

Emmi, this is way beyond your understanding! This Global Warming LIE is only a tool used to destroy America and it's sovereignty. It is being used to create the one world government.

Does that even compute in your little world?

Stop the LIE and Keep America Free!

Stop Obama from signing the Copenhagen Treaty!

BTW, I am wondering if Emmi is a Communist.

Help spread the word:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NIN-PqcsN0

Stop Obama from signing the Global Warming, Copenhagen Treaty!

Help Save America from a new Global Government!

Remember, they create the "CHAOS" and then they conveniently create a "Solution".

The Global Warming lie is the tool they are using to end American Sovereignty.

Yup! This new global government has swindled a lot of people already. Don't trust a word they say.

Actually it's you who sound frightened, ijeannie. You obvously think that anyone who studies global warming is some mind-control master. But whomever got to you obviously did a much better job brainwashing you than anyone here ever could. My sympathies.

Not a communist, but I do have a Master's of Science in Environmental Studies. What's your degree in?

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I missed the post day but I see some people are into the discussion. One thing to any Americans is that they should look at how and where all that energy and power is coming from. The US does not produce enough oil its coming from overseas which causes all sorts of problems.

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